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Ghettobarney

Ok so here's the deal...

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So Adam and Eve were just monkeys? And Noah was able to gather a pair of every single animal on a boat with no conflict whatsoever?

"Science... has been accused of undermining morals- but wrongly. The ethical behavior of man is better based on sympathy, education and social relationships, and requires no support from religion. Man's plight would, indeed, be sad if he had to be kept in order through fear of punishment and hop of rewards after death."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty."

-Albert Einstein

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While we atheists cannot disprove all gods, we can disprove the Abrahamic gods - Allah and Yahweh - without a shred of doubt that they are, indeed, quite nonexistent. And using simple logic, we can then say that all other gods are highly improbable, due to the fact that the universe is self-regulating, and that other accounts of creation and the gods are wrong. As I've said elsewhere, believing in the Bible, and assuming all of its contents to be true, is a parallel to believing the contents of Harry Potter to be true. How do we know that Harry Potter isn't true? We haven't observed it; hell, the school or forest isn't even evident in sattelite photos, and there's no way of detecting or measuring anything within. The same goes for unicorns and big foot. Since they haven't been observed, no corpses have been found, no valid photographs had, and they have no evolutionary cause or reason for existence (considering that apes do not exist in North America, most things in South America have little hair, and apes don't exist in Russia [yetis]), we can safely say they do not exist.

There are only two last frontiers: the extraterrestrial universe and the deep oceans. Most everything else in our world we have fairly conclusive, extensive knowledge of.

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I'm athiest. My parents are devout christians and think I am too. I know that if I tell how I feel, they'd disown me.

why should it matter to them. if they are your parents then they should respect what you want to believe. and if they do not. fuck them. it is your life as long as you live it as a good person that is only what matters.

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While we atheists cannot disprove all gods, we can disprove the Abrahamic gods - Allah and Yahweh - without a shred of doubt that they are, indeed, quite nonexistent. And using simple logic, we can then say that all other gods are highly improbable, due to the fact that the universe is self-regulating, and that other accounts of creation and the gods are wrong. As I've said elsewhere, believing in the Bible, and assuming all of its contents to be true, is a parallel to believing the contents of Harry Potter to be true. How do we know that Harry Potter isn't true? We haven't observed it; hell, the school or forest isn't even evident in sattelite photos, and there's no way of detecting or measuring anything within. The same goes for unicorns and big foot. Since they haven't been observed, no corpses have been found, no valid photographs had, and they have no evolutionary cause or reason for existence (considering that apes do not exist in North America, most things in South America have little hair, and apes don't exist in Russia [yetis]), we can safely say they do not exist.

There are only two last frontiers: the extraterrestrial universe and the deep oceans. Most everything else in our world we have fairly conclusive, extensive knowledge of.

he is quite right. Sure there are a couple loop holes with his arguement but whole on whole he is right.

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i love how no one can simply answer the actual fucking question asked.

instead they have to put a big fucking annoying display on their pro or anti religious beliefs i am guilty of it too. if we could just keep our bible humping/bashing/hating/masturbating opinions for another time rather than just going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

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I'm sorry, Ghettobarney, for I can't help you against your parents, I'm good. All I like to say to atheists is: Believe in God and Jesus, there's hope, but if you are atheist there's no hope that there's a heaven to go to after death... Wouldn't it be nice to go somewhere when you die? Doesn't that sound stupid? Well get stupid and feel happy with getting stupid! Because believing in the right thing will at least bring more good and hopefully a heaven but if you don't believe, how can there ever to be a chance for you to go to heaven? So believe! I'm only trying to help and I can discuss this further, if you want, but I won't argue it for I won't shove it down your throat like I hear about SOME religious people that I've never met that would try and do that and say, "you're going to hell!"

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I'm sorry, Ghettobarney, for I can't help you against your parents, I'm good. All I like to say to atheists is: Believe in God and Jesus, there's hope, but if you are atheist there's no hope that there's a heaven to go to after death... Wouldn't it be nice to go somewhere when you die? Doesn't that sound stupid? Well get stupid and feel happy with getting stupid! Because believing in the right thing will at least bring more good and hopefully a heaven but if you don't believe, how can there ever to be a chance for you to go to heaven? So believe! I'm only trying to help and I can discuss this further, if you want, but I won't argue it for I won't shove it down your throat like I hear about SOME religious people that I've never met that would try and do that and say, "you're going to hell!"

Jesus christ. Thats even worse then being a regular christian! YOU FELL INTO THEIR FRICKIN TRAP! They use fucking fear tactics to convert you. Its the frality of the human mind. :rolleyes:<_<:rolleyes:<_<

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We don't have any clue about this world. What about dark matter? Want to tell me what that's composed of? How about multiple dimensions? How do we know we aren't being manipulated by beings living in 5 or even 6 dimensions? Can you even accuarately imagine what it would be like to move in 4 dimensions, to be able to step in and out of time?

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We don't have any clue about this world. What about dark matter? Want to tell me what that's composed of? How about multiple dimensions? How do we know we aren't being manipulated by beings living in 5 or even 6 dimensions? Can you even accuarately imagine what it would be like to move in 4 dimensions, to be able to step in and out of time?

One how do you know there are four dimensions? Two: He means everything on earth. We know pretty much everything about earth. Whats on it, how it reacts, what it does. Really. And no I couldn't imagine that. But we do know a hell of a lot about our 3 dimension earth.

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Not really, we haven't even discoverd all the elements. What about String Theory? Are you saying we've mastered quantum mechanics? ad the 4th dimension is time, its unknown how many dimesnions exist.

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When I told my parents they flipped and went on some rant about how god does things and blah blah blah I was kinda humming the price is right theme song in my head at the time.

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Reminds me. Once I skipped church, and was told I could find another home if I did it again.

<_<

were they catholics.

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First three dimensions: length(x)width/area (two separate ones), and depth/volume (a single one). Fourth: time. Fifth: all possible states of something. The last is generally only mathematically applicable, but there are obviously four known dimensions.

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Yes. Yes they were.

no shock there then

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First three dimensions: length(x)width/area (two separate ones), and depth/volume (a single one). Fourth: time. Fifth: all possible states of something. The last is generally only mathematically applicable, but there are obviously four known dimensions.

ok sorry, I am not well educated in that exact topic.

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Jesus christ. Thats even worse then being a regular christian! YOU FELL INTO THEIR FRICKIN TRAP! They use fucking fear tactics to convert you. Its the frality of the human mind. :rolleyes:<_<:rolleyes:<_<

What if get out of their "frickin trap?" What then? Be atheist? I want hope and I know... it's logic... how can I have hope being atheist? Being atheist is like doing bad things. Some people that are atheist probably do bad things because they think there is no God that'll harm them when they die but I since I do believe in God, I'm hoping that there's hope for my soul...

MAN, ALL I WANT TO DO IS GO TO HEAVEN WITH MY LIFE AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS?!?! YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO THAT YOU THINK IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN CHRISTIANITY AND I'LL SEE IF I WANT TO YIELD TO WHAT YOU SAY TO GO TO HEAVEN... Most likely, it'll be dumb but hopefully you'll surprise me...

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What if get out of their "frickin trap?" What then? Be atheist? I want hope and I know... it's logic... how can I have hope being atheist? Being atheist is like doing bad things. Some people that are atheist probably do bad things because they think there is no God that'll harm them when they die but I since I do believe in God, I'm hoping that there's hope for my soul...

MAN, ALL I WANT TO DO IS GO TO HEAVEN WITH MY LIFE AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS?!?! YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO THAT YOU THINK IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN CHRISTIANITY AND I'LL SEE IF I WANT TO YIELD TO WHAT YOU SAY TO GO TO HEAVEN... Most likely, it'll be dumb but hopefully you'll surprise me...

I'm sorry Joe but I hate you. Now I don't quite like christianity but I don't hate anybody just because they are christian. Thats their opinion. But for you to be christian just because you think that you don't want to risk it is pathetic. Your not a real christian just a scared little wannabe who will do anything to not go to hell. Why waste your life doing this? Really? Just believe what you really want to believe not because your scared your going to go to hell. Trust me. If god is real in the christians belief he will see through that. And you will burn in hell anyways. Are you saying athiests are bad? Your wrong, we are way better. Ever heard of the CRUSADES? Where hundreds of christians slaughtered defensless VILLAGERS. Hitler was a FUCKING CHRISTIAN! CATHOLIC TO BE PRECISE. Christianity has caused more deaths in this world than any other human thing/quality/weakness! So get a life. Really good and evil is just a mass opinion of the earth, yet still I know I don't like feeling pain. So I go out and help people everyday. At least I am doing something for this world other than joining a group that has sunk to racism and "purging" the land of the other religions. Check your facts and get a life seriously.

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Theres actually a technical term for someone who believes in heaven just because they weighed the cost/benefits.

Like, if for example, god did exist, and you were a nonbeliever, you would get nothing

But if you believed, you would get eternal paradise.

On the flipside, if god didn't exist, and you believed in nothing, you would get nothing.

So these kind of people decide to believe on the off chance that their bet may pay off.

Sickening, to both atheists and theists.

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Theres actually a technical term for someone who believes in heaven just because they weighed the cost/benefits.

Like, if for example, god did exist, and you were a nonbeliever, you would get nothing

But if you believed, you would get eternal paradise.

On the flipside, if god didn't exist, and you believed in nothing, you would get nothing.

So these kind of people decide to believe on the off chance that their bet may pay off.

Sickening, to both atheists and theists.

Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit)

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I think all of you are being mislead here. Not all Christian/Catholic parents act this way... My parents are Catholic and when I told them, my parents were just a bit upset and just told me that it's ok and that I'm entitled to my own beliefs. Parents that act crazy and threaten you aren't doing what they should be. In their bibles and books, it says that people are entitled to their own beliefs, not pressured into religion.

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I think all of you are being mislead here. Not all Christian/Catholic parents act this way... My parents are Catholic and when I told them, my parents were just a bit upset and just told me that it's ok and that I'm entitled to my own beliefs. Parents that act crazy and threaten you aren't doing what they should be. In their bibles and books, it says that people are entitled to their own beliefs, not pressured into religion.

sadly what something actually says and how some people interpret/practice it are two different things entirely.

it just usually IMO tends to be catholics of an older generation that are usually intolerant or ignorant. but for the most part that is what they were forced to believe from a very young age.

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I think all of you are being mislead here. Not all Christian/Catholic parents act this way... My parents are Catholic and when I told them, my parents were just a bit upset and just told me that it's ok and that I'm entitled to my own beliefs. Parents that act crazy and threaten you aren't doing what they should be. In their bibles and books, it says that people are entitled to their own beliefs, not pressured into religion.

I know this and thank you for stressing this point. I am never against christianity. I just don't like it. Does that mean I hate all christians on sight? No. Because its their belief. I know that a lot of christian parents don't do this and allow their children free will. But then again many don't.

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