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why explosive barrels don't effect zombies?

I know we have the gas can, but explosive barrels are fun too.

Also, how's it going with the national guard coding?

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Explosive barrels don't effect zombies?! I didn't even notice, what a shame, they could be put to so much use B)

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Explosive barrels don't effect zombies?! I didn't even notice, what a shame, they could be put to so much use B)

Time for a Physics and Chemistry lesson I suppose...

Barrels shouldn't explode when you shoot them, and really neither should gas cans, except under certain circumstances. A twist on lid doesn't create explosive pressure, nor does a barrel cap. I would understand pressurized canisters exploding when shot (my reasoning for this is explained below), or placed within some scenarios of objective maps, and these of course SHOULD do damage to zombies and survivors alike, but this explosion isn't due to a fuel source, just explosive decompression of the contents. I understand the simplistic gameplay point that it is easier without having to physically light a gas can's/barrel's capacity of fuel after leaking it upon the ground, but in reality, if you shot an uncompressed container with a large amount of fuel/gas inside, and failed to create an ignition point, or at the very least a spark, with the contact of the round used upon any part of the fuel, you would fail to achieve ignition, and all you accomplish is making a pool of flammable liquid on the ground.

A few solutions to this are: incendiary rounds; tracers; sparks from ricochets; lighters; matchsticks; flare guns; etc. ignition sources like an existing open flame.

A barrel will only 'explode' in the sense you see in movies and the such, if and only if the fuel achieves ignition from WITHIN the confined space of the container. The heat would create a massive amount of expanding pressure that cannot be dispersed in a timely and consistent matter, and all of that expanding heat would generate force upon the inner walls of the container, possibly even expunging a small amount of energy that it can out of the point of ignition (ie. if an incendiary round punctured a gas can), but the rest would exert massive amounts of energy on the container, which then becomes the secondary damaging component of any explosion: the shrapnel. If, for example, you had made the container out of a material that could withstand that explosive pressure (or 'energy'), you would simply get a jet of flame much like you'd see out of a blowtorch (though much more unstable due to the pressure caps used in such devices and the point of ignition is outside of the container).

Think about explosive pressure as such: if you had a container filled with a flammable substance completely sealed with a hypothetical point of ignition within the exact center of the container, and achieved ignition, you would create an equilibrium of energy literally 'pushing' on every square inch of the inner wall of that container 'outward,' like one would push a shopping cart but on a massive scale, whereas you may exert 10 pounds of pressure on the cart to move it forward, the high pressure created by the chemical reaction may reach up to 10,000 pounds of pressure equally on all surfaces (in an ideal testing environment). In the sense of 'shooting a gas can with an incendiary round,' the point of ignition will occur at the point from which the fuel achieves enough heat generated from the round, and that transfer of energy from the round into the fuel will produce a chemical reaction that releases that substance's potential energy. In layman's terms: Bullet ignites fuel, fuel ignites more fuel (and so on), ignition makes force, force makes container go boom.

In terms of chemical reaction, I am referring to flammable substances which easily ignite with less energy than usual required to release their Potential Energy [gasoline is a clear example of this, as it takes less heat (energy) to ignite gas than to ignite a chunk of stone]. In a Physics sense, that Potential Energy, once released, becomes Kinetic Energy, which exerts the Force (ie. the pressure). This is distinct from explosive decompression, when there is little to no flammable substance involved, and instead that the immense force involved in the explosion is already present and released through a means it cannot evenly and properly disperse to achieve equilibrium.

The main components that WILL kill you are ranked from deadly to less deadly as follows:

-Explosive pressure. [in larger explosive yields, this can liquefy your internal organs, as well as blow out your ear drums (the least of your problems unless you were a substantial distance away), cause concussive trauma, shatter bones, among other serious injuries. In some cases you'd be better off being hit by a freight train going full speed than to be caught within the blast radius of an explosion. To put it plainly, even if shrapnel wasn't involved, this would kill you instantly if you were standing 30-40 yards from a 100 lb. explosive yield.]

-Shrapnel. [Created from the container the explosion originated from, physically ripped apart into either small shards of metal, plastic, (or any other material that contained the explosion) or large chunks of debris, flying at high speed and making contact with or through anything in the surrounding area. An H.E. (High Explosive) grenade, for instance, is designed to create massive pressure and also break apart easily upon detonation, creating dozens to hundreds of shards, in which only one is needed to penetrate a vital organ to kill. And to put it in perspective, if you accelerated a small piece of saran wrap to a high enough speed, it would easily go through and through a human being. The more mass a material has, and the smaller it's relative size to it's mass, the less acceleration needed to puncture, or on a scientific molecular level, displace (rip apart) bonded particles, such as skin and bone. Example: while a bullet doesn't have much weight or mass compared to a human, it is accelerated to thousands of miles an hour, which gives it its penetrating properties. You accelerate Snoopie fast enough he WILL go through a barn door. It's simple physics.]

-Fire. (Only present in explosions that present a flammable ignition substance, such as a gas or oil fire. This presents a threat most commonly after the explosion has occurred, after the shock wave and shrapnel have subsided, hindering rescue efforts, burning victims who may otherwise still be alive after the initial explosion, as well as suffocating them by consuming the oxygen as a fuel source.)

tl;dr: Learn something for once in your life because this is the simplest way to have a crash course in Physics that you are EVER going to get. So educate yourselves.

But on a serious note, I don't wish this to change gameplay matters; ignorance is bliss, and the very fact that I CAN'T shoot a gas can and make it explode in real life is the very reason I want video games to give me that opportunity. So yes, I want explosive containers to hurt zombies, as they should, and STILL want gas cans to give me that fiery blast of joy igniting multiple zombies at once, because that's fun, but simply felt it my need to discern the actual science behind explosions for whoever is interested.

Edited by Flash879

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Barrels shouldn't explode when you shoot them,

...Well this is awkward :unsure:

Anyway it would be cool to have working barrels they're a little old school but still a classic.

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Zombies have obscene amounts of health compared to survivors (500 hp for Walkers/Shamblers) so explosive devices like grenades and barrels won't have as great an effect as they would have on a normal human

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Zombies have obscene amounts of health compared to survivors (500 hp for Walkers/Shamblers) so explosive devices like grenades and barrels won't have as great an effect as they would have on a normal human

If a grenade/barrel exploded near you in real life you would immediately be turned into red pulp... B)

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If a grenade/barrel exploded near you in real life you would immediately be turned into red pulp... B)

if a grenade blew up near you it would not turn you into pulp. and unless that barrel is packed with high explosives it won't turn you into pulp either. the explosion would have to have enough concussive force to fuck a zombies brain or have some lucky shrapnel hit it in the noodle otherwise the flesh damage is irrelevant.

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if a grenade blew up near you it would not turn you into pulp. and unless that barrel is packed with high explosives it won't turn you into pulp either. the explosion would have to have enough concussive force to fuck a zombies brain or have some lucky shrapnel hit it in the noodle otherwise the flesh damage is irrelevant.

I like to think of 20 explosive barrels sitting on top of each other :P

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"Grenade" usually refers to "frag grenade" - "fragmentation grenade". They are based on shrapnel, and zombies couldn't care less about that unless a piece penetrates their skull, which is pretty unlikely. It's effective against humans because we tend to die of shock or bleed out or be generally incapacitated when shrapnel hits us anywhere.

Zombies don't give a fuck. Might take a leg or two off, or put a shrapnel in a zombies brain (which is unlikely, as I mentioned), soooo not totally uneffective, but FAR from turning ANYONE into "red pulp" or mist. That's why people throw themselves on grenades to protect others - their guts will be fucked up by the shrapnel, but that's it. It's enough, of course, but it shows that frag grenades don't actually make people explode.

Explosive barrels would catapult zombies away, potentially ripping off limbs and/or setting them on fire, but they wouldn't vaporize them either - and that's IF they exploded when you shoot them, which they usually don't.

I'd very much like more elements like exploding barrels, though, because fun is more important than realism, so bending the rules a bit is a-okay.

Oh, and is there "ANY PARTICULAR REASON" why the topic doesn't say wtf this thread is about, OP? You know what you are, right?

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the topic is about "any particular reason why explosive barrels don't effect zombies" ya silly mcsilly.

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With the latter being the actually informative part, yet sadly lacking in the topic description.

I just roll my eyes when I see topic names like "You guys won't believe this!", "Look what I found!", "LOL" etc. etc. You rarely see headlines in newspapers like that for a reason.

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With the latter being the actually informative part, yet sadly lacking in the topic description.

I just roll my eyes when I see topic names like "You guys won't believe this!", "Look what I found!", "LOL" etc. etc. You rarely see headlines in newspapers like that for a reason.

but you see that kinda shit on the news all the time "find out what could be in your toothpaste that is killing children...at 11"

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I'd let my children die of toothpaste poisoning just to spite those bastards.

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but you see that kinda shit on the news all the time "find out what could be in your toothpaste that is killing children...at 11"

The flouride calcifies the pineal gland in your brain, thus hindering your creative and imaginative functions of said brain, essentially making you slowly braindead. This is more prominent in developing brains than ones already fully developed.

So this news story is technically true.

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The flouride calcifies the pineal gland in your brain, thus hindering your creative and imaginative functions of said brain, essentially making you slowly braindead. This is more prominent in developing brains than ones already fully developed.

So this news story is technically true.

it very well maybe true but i was using it in reference to the complaint about the problem that arose from the topic title and the first part of the topic being a singular entity for the poster above...good sir.

did anyone else get sick to their stomach as a kid after brushing their teeth? and no i didn't swallow a mouthful of toothpaste...just the small amount you generally end up swallowing after you spit it out, but even that would wreck my stomach in the morning.

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it very well maybe true but i was using it in reference to the complaint about the problem that arose from the topic title and the first part of the topic being a singular entity for the poster above...good sir.

did anyone else get sick to their stomach as a kid after brushing their teeth? and no i didn't swallow a mouthful of toothpaste...just the small amount you generally end up swallowing after you spit it out, but even that would wreck my stomach in the morning.

Ugh you eat toothpaste? :(

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I can't swallow dry bread. Makes me puke unless I manage to spit it out of my mouth on time. I do like roasted bread though or dipping it into some soup!

Interesting, no?

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I can't swallow dry bread. Makes me puke unless I manage to spit it out of my mouth on time. I do like roasted bread though or dipping it into some soup!

Interesting, no?

Strange I will admit plain untoasted bread is not my favorite meal but still...weird... :P

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I always have the urge to pee when I brush my teeth. True story. I know that it'll go away once I'm done brushing my teeth though, so I'm like "Fuck you, body, I won't fall for that old trick again!"

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I always have the urge to pee when I brush my teeth. True story. I know that it'll go away once I'm done brushing my teeth though, so I'm like "Fuck you, body, I won't fall for that old trick again!"

I wonder what would happen if we put you and manofwar in the same room...

Probably the world would explode :mellow:

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