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Mass Effect 3

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Also I am at like 58 hours in to the game and I am only just chillin' with Jacob on Hoth or Delta Vega or whatever the fuck.

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Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the Shepard revealed as both beginning and end. There are three colors. The color to your right leads to control, and the salvation of the Galaxy. The color to your left leads back to the Galaxy. To her and to the end of Synthetics. The color in front of you leads to the evolution of all organic life.

As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction: the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you to the simple and obvious truth, you have no choice and there is nothing you can do about it. Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

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Right, finally managed to finish it. Regarding the ending

Not really impressed at all, granted it wasn't the baby eating abomination that everyone on the internet is calling it but it was definitely very naff. If it was supposed to be Shepards final mission (according to Bioware) why didn't it explain ANY of the aftermath. All I got was "Explosion, Normandy in jungle...the end!" and don't put in a fucking tease of shep stuttering back to life. Yeah so not impressed.

And like EVERY Bioware game the ending (last couple of missions) felt really squashed together and rushed.

ALSO this how something with spoilers in should be presented!

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Fans are now going to the Federal Trade Commision with accusations of false advertisement. Crazy to think it got this far, but in a way, if you get the true ending, the "ending" is in no way an actual ending. Just an 'alley-oop' for paid DLC.

http://www.destructoid.com/ea-reported-to-ftc-over-mass-effect-3-ending-224101.phtml

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That's true, but the pictures and stuff are just waaay to small time to complain about.

I beat the game yesterday, and I still think everyone's overreacting, sure the ending didn't really make sense, and it does ask more questions than it answers, but still, people are so angry over it they're calling for Bioware's blood. I'm pretty sure the end hints and possible even a sequel (or at least an epilogue).

This explains the entire ending and it actually makes a TON of sense. In essence this tells you that the ending is nowhere near the ending.

Spoilers:

Also, looks like someone finally found EDI's Floppy DicksDrive

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This explains the entire ending and it actually makes a TON of sense. In essence this tells you that the ending is nowhere near the ending.

Spoilers:

That video couldn't be more wrong about certain stuff, most of his questions are easily answered if you paid attention to the story and dialogue. There are unanswered questions, but most of those the video asks is dumb. I don't believe this was bad writing by Bioware, I believe that there is more to it that we just don't know yet.

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That video couldn't be more wrong about certain stuff, most of his questions are easily answered if you paid attention to the story and dialogue. There are unanswered questions, but most of those the video asks is dumb. I don't believe this was bad writing by Bioware, I believe that there is more to it that we just don't know yet.

Actually they're not all dumb. The ending leaves a LOT of questions unanswered. With all the evidence of deliberately cut content, it seems to me that Bioware were trying to make the ending and then EA like some sort of Emperor Palpatine with business sense was stood there demanding they cut shit for paid DLC later on.

I believe that there is more to it that we just don't know yet.

I'm curious as to what you mean. This was always intended to be the final chapter in Shepards life, you're saying you are quite happy with nothing being explained about his/her end?

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Fans are now going to the Federal Trade Commision with accusations of false advertisement. Crazy to think it got this far, but in a way, if you get the true ending, the "ending" is in no way an actual ending. Just an 'alley-oop' for paid DLC.

http://www.destructoid.com/ea-reported-to-ftc-over-mass-effect-3-ending-224101.phtml

And with this, the rabid fans have gone full retard.

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Actually they're not all dumb. The ending leaves a LOT of questions unanswered. With all the evidence of deliberately cut content, it seems to me that Bioware were trying to make the ending and then EA like some sort of Emperor Palpatine with business sense was stood there demanding they cut shit for paid DLC later on.

I'm curious as to what you mean. This was always intended to be the final chapter in Shepards life, you're saying you are quite happy with nothing being explained about his/her end?

Yeah they're all not dumb at all, some of the ending also made think "WTF?"

Everyone says that they hate the ending due to a "lack of closure", but I think the lack of closure makes the story more interesting, it leaves your mind open to imagination. It really shows how people have no imagination and they have to be told about everything that happens, I actually talked to someone who wanted a FULL explanation on the Reapers, their origin and everything, I said that it ruins the "mysterious" feeling about them if you found out their true origin. Same with the ending, I think some parts do need to be fleshed out a bit, it could have been done a lot better, but I prefer it better when less is explained, it leaves your mind open and free.

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And with this, the rabid fans have gone full retard.

http://igogaming.net/2012/03/19/fans-who-purchased-mass-effect-3-via-amazon-are-getting-full-refunds/

Fans Who Purchased Mass Effect 3 Via Amazon Are Getting Full Refunds

May have gone full retard, but hey...it appears to be such a big issue, Amazon is fully refunding people for the game, even CE's which have DLC codes worth 10$ and aren't re-usable. So they are taking a loss right there, they can't even resell these games as new.

They have to buy them back, full price, then sell them at a used, less price. Amazon isn't being forced to do this, EA isn't making them do this, they decided to to it on their own.

I've never seen anything like this.

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Everyone says that they hate the ending due to a "lack of closure", but I think the lack of closure makes the story more interesting, it leaves your mind open to imagination. It really shows how people have no imagination and they have to be told about everything that happens, I actually talked to someone who wanted a FULL explanation on the Reapers, their origin and everything, I said that it ruins the "mysterious" feeling about them if you found out their true origin. Same with the ending, I think some parts do need to be fleshed out a bit, it could have been done a lot better, but I prefer it better when less is explained, it leaves your mind open and free.

Well, people always want varying level of closure. I'd prefer just enough to make my choices in the game worthwhile rather than them just being a gimmick. But alot of people demand a George Lucas style wrap up. With every single individual character's story arc being ended. Like how derrick the janitor found love or some shit.

Also, just remembering something from ME1, why the hell didn't the Normandy use that Deus Ex Machina missile they used in the fight against Sovereign? around the 4:10 mark

why didn't the Alliance just make more Game Ender Missiles?

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May have gone full retard, but hey...it appears to be such a big issue, Amazon is fully refunding people for the game, even CE's which have DLC codes worth 10$ and aren't re-usable. So they are taking a loss right there, they can't even resell these games as new.

They have to buy them back, full price, then sell them at a used, less price. Amazon isn't being forced to do this, EA isn't making them do this, they decided to to it on their own.

I've never seen anything like this.

So, congrats, Amazon is known for having great customer service. They did the same thing for DA2, apparently. It's not like BioWare or EA are losing out money on the refunds.

You'd still have to be a pretty entitled brat to buy a game, play through the entire thing, and return it for a full refund when you're done just because you're unhappy with the ending because

lol ABC.

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So, I finished it. I'm pissed off now because I was all fired up for the worst ending ever and it was just...bland. But I really enjoyed the fact that you can't manually save the goddamn game for the last hour or so. Loads of fun when your 360 locks up and it's been over 15 minutes since the last autosave. And then two more times for good measure.

The bit after the credits with "Stargazer" and the child? That was just awful.

"Tell me another story about The Shepard."

"Saronis Applications - his favorite store on the Citadel it was!"

Also, just remembering something from ME1, why the hell didn't the Normandy use that Deus Ex Machina missile they used in the fight against Sovereign? why didn't the Alliance just make more Game Ender Missiles?

They were in the same transport with all the M-920 Cains that got swallowed by a thresher maw. In fact, I don't think there's a single mystery in the game that can't be answered with thresher maw.

Example: Why did I just die for no reason? Thresher maw. If thermal clips are universal, how can I be out of ammo for one gun but not the other? Thresher maw. And shouldn't I regenerate ammo just by letting the gun cool down? THRESHER MAW. And if my wristwatch can generate a giant blade in half a second, then why can't my gun just-THRESHER MAW.

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Example: Why did I just die for no reason? Thresher maw. If thermal clips are universal, how can I be out of ammo for one gun but not the other? Thresher maw. And shouldn't I regenerate ammo just by letting the gun cool down? THRESHER MAW. And if my wristwatch can generate a giant blade in half a second, then why can't my gun just-THRESHER MAW.

I loled. Good point about the ammo.

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http://igogaming.net/2012/03/19/fans-who-purchased-mass-effect-3-via-amazon-are-getting-full-refunds/

May have gone full retard, but hey...it appears to be such a big issue, Amazon is fully refunding people for the game, even CE's which have DLC codes worth 10$ and aren't re-usable. So they are taking a loss right there, they can't even resell these games as new.

They have to buy them back, full price, then sell them at a used, less price. Amazon isn't being forced to do this, EA isn't making them do this, they decided to to it on their own.

I've never seen anything like this.

Not really, the people who got a refund probably are going to spend it on Amazon, and Amazon can resell the copies. Also, it gives Amazon good publicity. All in all, it was a very good marketing technique. And I agree, you'd have to be some kind of asshole to play through the entire game, and decide to refund it because you didn't like the ending, no other reason, the game was a masterpiece, but the ending was bad.

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Simply to fuel the fire for my own personal amusement :lol: I will add this:

http://social.bioware.com/318304/blog/212060/

To play Devil's advocate, they really did promise a bunch of stuck they never came through with.

Official Mass Effect Website

http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/mass-effect-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)

http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/05/qa-mass-effect-3s-mac-walters-on-how-the-game-tries-to-reach-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334598/interviews/mass-effect-3-weve-brought-back-a-lot-of-what-was-missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.

BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than

answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)

http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650/mass_effect_3_reapers_can_win_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1229983/mass_effect_3_developer_interview_shepard_coop_story_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"

Casey Hudson (Director)

http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/casey-hudson-kinect-the-future-of-interactive-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/336331/interviews/mass-effect-3-we-cant-go-on-holiday-our-dlc-is-really-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

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I've already laughed at most of that shit, but I hadn't seen this one yet:

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”

Yeah. That's why I put Anderson on the Council and he was replaced with Udina for a reason that was never explained in the game.

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Lucas, made a deal of tying EVERY fucking storyline up in Angst Wars The Third that nobody gave a fuck about. I half expected a scene where Yoda gave a lesson to a young Ackbar, cautioning him to be aware of traps or some shit. But regardless of the anal nature of it, at least some of the shit got wrapped up.

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I've already laughed at most of that shit, but I hadn't seen this one yet:

Yeah. That's why I put Anderson on the Council and he was replaced with Udina for a reason that was never explained in the game.

He did explain it, he said he was tired of all the politics and resigned.

I still think Mass Effect is one of the greatest games made this current console generation.

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He did explain it, he said he was tired of all the politics and resigned.

I still think Mass Effect is one of the greatest games made this current console generation.

No one would care about shitty endings if they didn't agree.

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Wow this is the most insanely good video. Spot freaking on. Wow. This is a must watch. Seriously. It's long but it goes so damn quick.

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No one would care about shitty endings if they didn't agree.

People are claiming that Bioware is the worst developer studio in the history of forever and are comparable to the devil itself because of the ending.

I mean, its fine to care about the game, and complain that the ending sucked, because it did, but claiming the entire game was "the worst game ever made" is grossly over exaggerating.

Just a little while ago, people actually voted on the Consumerist that EA is the worst company, topping even Bank of America, which forecloses homes and ruins people's lives every day. People today are just really stupid, I hate the general public.

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