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Havikk

War? is it good or bad.

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Let's examine this.

We can all agree war is a neccesity needed for the survival of mankind as an individual.

Uhhhhhh. . . Are you even capable of understanding the difference between a collective and an individual? You are equivocating and conflating the two here. Get your shit straight. Secondly, total war and warfare between nation-states are hardly necessary to ensure the survival of Homo sapiens sapiens.

Now is it good.

This should be phrased as a question. It must also be remembered that the primary burden of proof is one the person making the positive claim, though the one making the negative claim ("no") should also provide some sort of evidence to support their conclusion as a matter of principle.

I'm not talking about the current nor any specific conflict. We all agree WWII was neccesary to stop a madman killing millions of people and threatening the liberty of the world.... So is war with a good purose not good? Or is it bad?

I hate how concise and retarded statements as what you have said require such thorough countering. I shall continue. No, the Second World War was not necessary. Firstly, the Polish were not forced to oppress the German minority present in Western Poland. Secondly, no one held a gun to the head of the ratifiers of the Treaty of Versailles, which led directly to the Second World War. Thirdly, the United States did not need to be involved in either war. American involvement in the First World War broke the relative stalemate in 1917 and allowed the Allied powers to sue for unconditional surrender. This form of surrender means that the victors are free to fuck over the country they are coercing into surrender, which is one of the reasons why the European theatre of the Second World War lasted so long as it did. Germans rationally feared what the Americans, British, and Soviets would do, especially after over twenty million Soviet civilians and soldiers were killed throughout the war (though it is worth noting that neither the British nor Soviets wished the US government to demand unconditional surrender). American intervention in the Second World War occurred too late to be of any real relevance to the eventual outcome. Even the Lend-Lease program only aided the Soviets in a minor way and only in the initial phases of Operation Barbarossa. Essentially, the United States involving in this war led again to needless casualties, especially in civilian centers such as Dresden where all told over half a million of non-combatants died - a megadeath by anyone's standards. The Soviets had all but won the war if what you are arguing for American involvement (as I highly suspect). Indeed, the downfall of Germany was caused mostly by strategic blunders* committed during the middle of 1940 that led to the eventual reversal in the USSR in 1942 most prominently with the battle of Kursk and the Soviet production capacity. Lastly, I should note that the Jews were given the option of emigrating from Germany (this includes modern Germany as well as Austria, Western Poland and Sudetenland). Why couldn't they leave, and why were over five million people slaughtered? It certainly was not necessary for the harsh concentration camp policy to be enacted, or for the Jews to be persecuted period, but had strict immigration policies in the US and Britain been relaxed, millions would have averted death. But neither the US nor Britain wanted dirty Jews in their countries, least of all ones who weren't Albert Einstein or other prominent figures.

tl;dr: You were taught bullshit.

*(These blunders include Dunkirk, the private belief of Adolf Hitler and Co. that the British [Anglo Saxons] would desire to ally with the Germans, the halted aerial attacks on British industry and infrastructure, faulty strategy in Barbarossa that led planners to think that Moscow was worth more than southern oil fields or industrial centers [pro tip: it wasn't], and the belief that Japan would reliably attack Siberia [though that would have left them with mostly shoddy eastern Soviet soil, with only a few oil fields].)

I've gone over this how many fucking times?

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Lastly, I should note that the Jews were given the option of emigrating from Germany (this includes modern Germany as well as Austria, Western Poland and Sudetenland). Why couldn't they leave, and why were over five million people slaughtered? It certainly was not necessary for the harsh concentration camp policy to be enacted, or for the Jews to be persecuted period, but had strict immigration policies in the US and Britain been relaxed, millions would have averted death. But neither the US nor Britain wanted dirty Jews in their countries, least of all ones who weren't Albert Einstein or other prominent figures.

I'm not trying to be a particular bastard, but 11 million people were slaughtered in the death camps, 6 million of which were Jews. Also, the US had several opportunities to save the Jews before their involvement, but they didn't want to save them so they could abstain from the war. Look where that got us.

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If you own or have ever owned a kitten, you are an anti-Semite and a murderer.

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I'm not trying to be a particular bastard, but 11 million people were slaughtered in the death camps, 6 million of which were Jews. Also, the US had several opportunities to save the Jews before their involvement, but they didn't want to save them so they could abstain from the war. Look where that got us.

Certainly, but the Slavs and Gypsies who were killed were not given the option of fleeing, as I recall.

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If you own or have ever owned a kitten, you are an anti-Semite and a murderer.

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"Mr. president, if we are joining the war, shouldn't we just send our best spies in an assassination mission?"

There were a total 42 attempts at assassination on Hitler, even the BEST spies would have trouble getting to him.

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The best assassination attempt was when some Nazis planned a coup and bombed his briefing room was when the Inglourious Basterds assassinated him and the whole theater blew up.

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Without war, we wouldn't have all these awesome war games.

Could you imagine a world without 1,000 WW2 games? I think not.

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Without war, we wouldn't have all these awesome war games.

Could you imagine a world without 1,000 WW2 games? I think not.

Sturgeon's Law

''90% of everything is crud''

Therefor

''90% of WW2 games are crud''

You sir have been terminated.

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There were a total 42 attempts at assassination on Hitler, even the BEST spies would have trouble getting to him.

i'm sorry, but joke has been made, and joke will not change

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Without war, we wouldn't have all these awesome war games.

Could you imagine a world without 1,000 WW2 games? I think not.

This is true, but we can always leave war to history and fantasy.

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Thirdly, the United States did not need to be involved in either war.

Bullshit, those japs destroyed our boats, so we had to curbstomp those niggas. Megacurbstomp.

Its like when you doing time in San Quinton and some yayo slanging taco maker gets up in yo grill, whatcha gunna do? Back down? They'd make a burrito outta ya ass. You gotta knock the nigga out yo, oh you his bitch fer the next 3-5.

Japan tried making us their bitch, you wanna be eating with chopsticks? You wanna speak chinese? I didnt think so. Be grateful your great grandpappy was more of a man then you.

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Bullshit, those japs destroyed our boats, so we had to curbstomp those niggas. Megacurbstomp.

Its like when you doing time in San Quinton and some yayo slanging taco maker gets up in yo grill, whatcha gunna do? Back down? They'd make a burrito outta ya ass. You gotta knock the nigga out yo, oh you his bitch fer the next 3-5.

Japan tried making us their bitch, you wanna be eating with chopsticks? You wanna speak chinese? I didnt think so. Be grateful your great grandpappy was more of a man then you.

I'm convinced. Forgive my earlier naivete.

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