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SIR with PIE rounds?

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What's wrong with just keeping the M16A2/M4A1? All those tales about it jamming alot are all from the original M16 design and use of poor quality ammunition.

From what I've read the modern M16/M4 is essentially perfected.

-looks pretty reliable to me

There would be no need to design a completely new weapon because of problems with the M16/M4 that in actuality do not exist.

maybe a year later a girl trips and scrapes her arm on the spot.

The world is not perfect, shit happens.

It's like nowadays when some poor kid steps on a landmine from some war that happened 20 years ago and gets blown to shit.

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The M16 is more accurate but the sights are more complicated and hard to take quick accurate shots with and hard to acquire a target with. An experienced rifleman would usually prefer the AK47's sights for combat.

And ekyntz your not listening to maxx dumbass. He said the first maps occur earlier in the outbreak, later there will be maps that occur later in the "zombie war" The mod takes place in a zombie outbreak, but in no specific time. The earlier maps will begin earlier and the later maps will be later into the outbreak.

Second the Military would definitely replace the M16 or at least modify it. They are already looking into several rifles to replace it, I'm sure a zombie outbreak would cause them to replace this terrible weapon. They'd have to remove the burst/automatic fire, strengthen the weapon and remove all those flimsy plastic parts. They would have to redo the action to increase reliability.

Also "they wouldn't use a different type of ammunition to make it easier to clean" is horrendously wrong. Your handling HIGHLY infectious material and in an outbreak of this magnitude they wouldn't have the resources to equip clean up teams with HAZMAT suits and everything. Most likely it would just be soldiers in their MOPP gear. It would be highly important to keep what few soldiers that are organized and alive uninfected. The living are going to need every advantage possible to survive the war with the dead. Simple as that.

Hey, the M16 from A2 onward is NOT a bad weapon. It may not be the most reliable (yeah, sand and mud can fuck it up, but if you clean it regularly that shouldn't be a problem) but it is accurate, and controllable. The M16's sights actually have a big advantage over the AK series, because the rear and front sights are MUCH farther apart. This makes it easier to aim with them. That doesn't mean the AK's sights aren't more simple (because they are,) but it does give the M16 a big advantage in terms of targeting.

And you are qualified to make that judgment?

There's also no need for name calling, and this BS about them replacing the M16 series has been going on since the 80's and every single time they come up with something it gets turned down.

Also, while we are making up fake technology like the "PIE" that does not exist why don't we throw in other weaponry that does not exist.

I propose this alien ray gun because the government would obviously invent it out of thin air in the outbreak of a zombie infestation as the laser beam would seal the wound shut stopping the EXTREMELTY F**KING INFECTIOUS MATTER from contaminating up teams!!!!!!!

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Wow that's...that's...low, and stupid. There is a big gap between inventing an assault rifle and a ray gun. No, it is not the same concept.

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This is No More Room In Hell not WWZ: Source. I mean sure nods and references to zombie books movies and lore but directly taking weapons and the like seems a tad uh for lack of a better word "faggy". Weege what did you not like about WWZ besides all of it? I found the retarded chick in the church to be hilarious but hey im an awful person.

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This is No More Room In Hell not WWZ: Source. I mean sure nods and references to zombie books movies and lore but directly taking weapons and the like seems a tad uh for lack of a better word "faggy". Weege what did you not like about WWZ besides all of it? I found the retarded chick in the church to be hilarious but hey im an awful person.

She scared me.

I dunno why she just did. The person who made me laugh was the one Russian priest.

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Hey, the M16 from A2 onward is NOT a bad weapon. It may not be the most reliable (yeah, sand and mud can fuck it up, but if you clean it regularly that shouldn't be a problem) but it is accurate, and controllable. The M16's sights actually have a big advantage over the AK series, because the rear and front sights are MUCH farther apart. This makes it easier to aim with them. That doesn't mean the AK's sights aren't more simple (because they are,) but it does give the M16 a big advantage in terms of targeting.

Wow that's...that's...low, and stupid. There is a big gap between inventing an assault rifle and a ray gun. No, it is not the same concept.

Yeah I guess it was a littlebit far but I was comparing the raygun to a fictional miracle bullet, not to the SIR

I also think the SIR is a stupid idea, why would you "invent" a rifle just for semiautomatic fire when there are already a crapload of semiautomatic weapons in the country.

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just a couple of semiautomatic weapons that have already been put into production and would do about the same thing as the SIR.

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Yeah I guess it was a littlebit far but I was comparing the raygun to a fictional miracle bullet, not to the SIR

Glaser Safety Slugs. Same idea, only they don't burn (which honestly, wouldn't be that hard to implement).

I do not think the military would develop a specialized zombie ammuniton round/weapon just so some cleanup team doesn't have to get all gooey

Yes, because sending your men out to turn into the undead is a brilliant idea. Those silly scientists, thinking up ideas on how to save more people. What were they thinking?

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this BS about them replacing the M16 series has been going on since the 80's and every single time they come up with something it gets turned down.

Not because the M4/M16 series are better than their competitors (in fact they continually underperform by leaps and bounds compared to their rivals in trials) but because of money and threats from Colt.

Numerous rifles including the G36, M8, SCAR, HK416, Barret M468, and others have continually outperformed the Colt family.

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These people sum it up for me: http://www.amazon.com/World-War-Z-History-...erBy=addOneStar

Especially the "Yawn of the Dead" review.

Hell even my girlfriends like World War Z...and they find zombies childish

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Numerous rifles including the G36, M8, SCAR, HK416, Barret M468, and others have continually outperformed the Colt family.

out of those though the only ones You are (or at least I am) likely to see would be the G36...Police officers use it over here along with the mp5.

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Yeah I also hate reading...fuck books. Books are for gays and queers...Infact i'm not even happy with a film unless it involves at least 8 different kinds of chainsaw and the phrase "Fuck yeah!"at least once per sentence.

Evidently you do hate reading, as that's not even close to the argument. At least one of the reviews complains about the stereotypical Texan's excessive cursing.

I'll compare it to the book Rant. Both books are an oral history as told from the perspectives of multiple fictional characters, and both detail the spreading of a virus from it's original "patient zero" (or the more politically correct "superspreader"). The difference is that Chuck Palahniuk is a fucking novelist. He has talent. He didn't ride his father's coattails and write shitty SNL skits. WWZ has no vivid imagery, interesting characters or...you know what? It has nothing going for it. The obituary page of your local newspaper is a more fascinating tale of the undead.

And he looks like half of Lou Ferrigno.

Hell even my girlfriends like World War Z...and they find zombies childish

I also don't enjoy the simplicity of bubbles, but I'm neither 4 nor retarded.

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I also don't enjoy the simplicity of bubbles, but I'm neither 4 nor retarded.

Wow...come up with that one all by yourself.

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Wow...come up with that one all by yourself.

Million monkeys, five hundred typewriters.

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Million monkeys, five hundred typewriters.

It worked for Revenge of the Sith

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Hey, the M16 from A2 onward is NOT a bad weapon. It may not be the most reliable (yeah, sand and mud can fuck it up, but if you clean it regularly that shouldn't be a problem) but it is accurate, and controllable. The M16's sights actually have a big advantage over the AK series, because the rear and front sights are MUCH farther apart. This makes it easier to aim with them. That doesn't mean the AK's sights aren't more simple (because they are,) but it does give the M16 a big advantage in terms of targeting.

The M16's sights have a DISADVANTAGE over the AK series, due to a narrow field of view and diffraction blurring, the aperture sight is not ideal for target acquisition, especially if the target is camouflaged or rapidly moving. It limits battlefield awareness and creates a sort of tunnel vision which has proved deadly in combat. Remember my post in the other topic? I can't remember which topic off the top of my head. The M16a2 is more accurate, but also much less reliable. Blah blah blah. Any rifleman would take pretty much anything over the M16a2, especially for this reason.

Also the M16 is flimsy and wouldn't stand up in close combat. If you run out of ammunition or are conserving it the M16 would prove useless in cqc. It would snap, some have even shattered. Literally. This is very important when combating zombies. Honestly ekyntkz the M16 needs to be replaced, many things have prevented it from being replaced as maxx went over, and when your fighting zombies why not replace it with a weapon that will better combat zombies?

P.S. The M16 isn't "perfect" as you said. To put it bluntly, it's absolute garbage. Considered by many to be one of the worst assault rifles ever made, including me. Just because it's an accurate weapon doesn't mean anything.

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Not because the M4/M16 series are better than their competitors (in fact they continually underperform by leaps and bounds compared to their rivals in trials) but because of money and threats from Colt.

Numerous rifles including the G36, M8, SCAR, HK416, Barret M468, and others have continually outperformed the Colt family.

Well your sort of right.

However even though Colt owns the M16 design, Fabrique Nationale (A arms company from Belgium) currently has held the contract for the manufacture of US Military M16 rifles for some time now.

However Colt still has the contract to manufacture the M4 series.

That in to addition that they determined it was not deemed financially feasible to replace all M16/M4 rifles unless a replacement candidate did at the least a 100% improvement over the M16/M4. (and none did so)

I'll reinforce what someone said before in that the M16A2 and onward basically all the initial flaws have been solved, all that jamming crap is from the M16,M16A1,XM-16 (pre M16A2)

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It worked for Revenge of the Sith

No, that was one fat ass in an ewok costume.

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The SIR gun as well as the "PIE rounds" are implausible both mechanically and chemically, respectively. So far as I know, this mod seeks only to place realistic or plausible weapons in-game. /thread

Evidently you do hate reading, as that's not even close to the argument. At least one of the reviews complains about the stereotypical Texan's excessive cursing.

I'll compare it to the book Rant. Both books are an oral history as told from the perspectives of multiple fictional characters, and both detail the spreading of a virus from it's original "patient zero" (or the more politically correct "superspreader"). The difference is that Chuck Palahniuk is a fucking novelist. He has talent. He didn't ride his father's coattails and write shitty SNL skits. WWZ has no vivid imagery, interesting characters or...you know what? It has nothing going for it. The obituary page of your local newspaper is a more fascinating tale of the undead.

And he looks like half of Lou Ferrigno.

I also don't enjoy the simplicity of bubbles, but I'm neither 4 nor retarded.

Science damn it, weege, you sure do enjoy crushing peoples' dreams and inane and naïve notions they have about things. Let children be children.

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The SIR gun as well as the "PIE rounds" are implausible both mechanically and chemically, respectively. So far as I know, this mod seeks only to place realistic or plausible weapons in-game. /thread

Your right there, and I'm sure it was never even considered to place these WWZ weapons in this mod, but I think it would be plausible that a good zombie killing weapon and ammunition is manufactured and distributed.

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Your right there, and I'm sure it was never even considered to place these WWZ weapons in this mod, but I think it would be plausible that a good zombie killing weapon and ammunition is manufactured and distributed.

Standard FMJs, JHPs, and special purpose rounds do killing just fine. The fact of the matter is that most of the ammunition found will realistically be FMJs, JHPs, and in the upcoming years, frangibles.

Also, you're wrong about AKs being terribly accurate. Unless there are certain measures taken to increase accuracy, they are only properly suited for short (< 50m) to mid-range (51m to 150m) combat, depending upon the construction and maintenance. The very thing that makes them most reliable is also the thing that reduces accuracy and increases recoil. The bolt carrier slams back with much force against the receiver, and the barrel actually moves significantly whilst firing. This is especially true in the lesser quality makes, but this even occurs in, say, NORINCO and IZHMASH AKs. I don't know how true this would be in the AK-100 series, but those aren't likely to be found in the west.

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Standard FMJs, JHPs, and special purpose rounds do killing just fine. The fact of the matter is that most of the ammunition found will realistically be FMJs, JHPs, and in the upcoming years, frangibles.

Also, you're wrong about AKs being terribly accurate. Unless there are certain measures taken to increase accuracy, they are only properly suited for short (< 50m) to mid-range (51m to 150m) combat, depending upon the construction and maintenance. The very thing that makes them most reliable is also the thing that reduces accuracy and increases recoil. The bolt carrier slams back with much force against the receiver, and the barrel actually moves significantly whilst firing. This is especially true in the lesser quality makes, but this even occurs in, say, NORINCO and IZHMASH AKs. I don't know how true this would be in the AK-100 series, but those aren't likely to be found in the west.

Yes, what I was trying to prove was the AK isn't as inaccurate as everyone says. It's definitely well below the M16 in terms of accuracy, however many experienced riflemen like the sights more as they are open and easier to acquire and engage targets with.

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Science damn it, weege, you sure do enjoy crushing peoples' dreams and inane and naïve notions they have about things. Let children be children.

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That in to addition that they determined it was not deemed financially feasible to replace all M16/M4 rifles unless a replacement candidate did at the least a 100% improvement over the M16/M4. (and none did so)

Based on mathematics, the M8 and M416 in recent trials (2007 I believe) that after 60,000 rounds fired the M4A1 suffered nearly 900 stoppages where as the M8 suffered under 200. That is a definite 100% + improvement.

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Well that looks legit but we do not know what variables were used in their definition of an "improvement".

I don't know what's going on in the head of the DoD.

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