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NMRIH's Last Hope, please read.

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Dear NMRIH community,

I am dForce, I know many if not all of you besides Coleman may not have heard of me. But about a year or so back I posted a formal application to the need post about a Sound Designer, for the mod. Being my first project in the field of Video Games, I thought it would be something to enjoy, learn, and experience.

Having my name in several credits in Movies for sound assistance, and production, such as Lord of the Rings. I offered my 15 years experience, as well as degrees, to help better the mod... Providing sample music to show, everyone raved and was truely speechless. But before long, a "Staff" member came along and on my application posted my music sounds like crap, and kept on insulting with reply after reply.

I ended up closing my interest of forming partnership with the staff here, and in all checking the website for updates... For some ungodly reason, today after years of not returning, I randomly typed in the URL of the mod to see its progression. Why I was not shocked that after 5 years it has not been completed, I thought to myself... Besides the very overwhelming and obvious select few staff members who I first noticed to slow the project down, and be very immature on the forums... (Speaking of old staff, could be misspoken on the current staff) I would like to just tell Coleman a word of professional wisdom;

"The time for mod to finish is way overdue, you know as well as I. I spoke with you on AIM about 1 1/2 - 2 years and you told me the mod was 70% done, and you told me as a friend, seeing how I did not have access to the private forums to find out myself. You are not only wasting the years of hard work of loyal staff members, but also fan base for waiting so long... Several mods that are without a doubt much larger in production finishing before you, the downfalls you faced slowed you down intermediately. I am appalled that you have not taken the leadership path I thought you would into finishing off this mod so long ago. Speaking as a friend, word of criticism. You should have done, or at least still do if needed, HIRE a professional staff positions that need to be filled... I know myself, and the community would gladly chip in portions to help COMPLETELY COVER the cost of employment fee to hire someone to finish off the mod. Think about it, sincerely, before you loose the entire community. Because I'm starting to notice that people who've been here for years more then me are beginning to loose faith forever, and not like where the mod fell one and re picked up, 5 years is along time... And Half life 3 is already in production... I would sincerely think out this option".

I hope you take this as a word of advice, rather then attack. But if any of the old staff I encountered before is still here today, this thread will be not noticed properly, and continue to slow the production if not kill this mod.

Sincerely yours,

dForce

"Best of Wishes, Old Friend"

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Of note, they do have a new programmer applicant. More devs=good news.

Unfortunately, a certain Pongles has been out-of-touch for...a while. I'm not sure how the hell that happened, but it did.

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/sign

Even though left 4 dead is coming out I will still get this mod as it is different and you can have more human players rather than just 4

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This is kind of dumb. Do you really think the community would cover the cost to hire professional programmers/modders etc?

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Keep it going, if we just get 10x more pledges than we have now, we might be able to afford professionals that work for minimum wage :/

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Keep it going, if we just get 10x more pledges than we have now, we might be able to afford professionals that work for minimum wage :/

You're an asshole

:D

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dForce,

I was once apart of the mod team in past(don't know what year), and i'm pretty sure i didn't insult anyones art(2D,music,3D). Do you have a website with samples of work? Your right about the community, they generally are immature(looks at Mute). IMO there's just too many things wrong with this mod.

1) A leader, should most definitely actually do something productive(2D,3D,music,maps,etc). In other words, never work on a mod where the head guy does nothing.

2) Always ask for a up-to-date copy of the programmers work, or better yet have a FTP server where the programmer can upload his code often. On that note, i would suggest modding Left4Dead, since all the zombie elements are already there, this will make it easier on the new programmer(if you get one, they are rare..wait i know 2 programmers(one professional Ubisoft, and newbie)).

3) Immature behavior, yea it happens even in the developer forum(i'm not going to name any names,because this is not a e-penis contest)

4) Last but not last, time. the team members are too young, which is why they don't have enough time for NMRIH and life.

5)Scope; too many gameplay ideas to implement, focus on one first,tweak it until its right.

Dear NMRIH community,

I am dForce, I know many if not all of you besides Coleman may not have heard of me. But about a year or so back I posted a formal application to the need post about a Sound Designer, for the mod. Being my first project in the field of Video Games, I thought it would be something to enjoy, learn, and experience.

Having my name in several credits in Movies for sound assistance, and production, such as Lord of the Rings. I offered my 15 years experience, as well as degrees, to help better the mod... Providing sample music to show, everyone raved and was truely speechless. But before long, a "Staff" member came along and on my application posted my music sounds like crap, and kept on insulting with reply after reply.

I ended up closing my interest of forming partnership with the staff here, and in all checking the website for updates... For some ungodly reason, today after years of not returning, I randomly typed in the URL of the mod to see its progression. Why I was not shocked that after 5 years it has not been completed, I thought to myself... Besides the very overwhelming and obvious select few staff members who I first noticed to slow the project down, and be very immature on the forums... (Speaking of old staff, could be misspoken on the current staff) I would like to just tell Coleman a word of professional wisdom;

"The time for mod to finish is way overdue, you know as well as I. I spoke with you on AIM about 1 1/2 - 2 years and you told me the mod was 70% done, and you told me as a friend, seeing how I did not have access to the private forums to find out myself. You are not only wasting the years of hard work of loyal staff members, but also fan base for waiting so long... Several mods that are without a doubt much larger in production finishing before you, the downfalls you faced slowed you down intermediately. I am appalled that you have not taken the leadership path I thought you would into finishing off this mod so long ago. Speaking as a friend, word of criticism. You should have done, or at least still do if needed, HIRE a professional staff positions that need to be filled... I know myself, and the community would gladly chip in portions to help COMPLETELY COVER the cost of employment fee to hire someone to finish off the mod. Think about it, sincerely, before you loose the entire community. Because I'm starting to notice that people who've been here for years more then me are beginning to loose faith forever, and not like where the mod fell one and re picked up, 5 years is along time... And Half life 3 is already in production... I would sincerely think out this option".

I hope you take this as a word of advice, rather then attack. But if any of the old staff I encountered before is still here today, this thread will be not noticed properly, and continue to slow the production if not kill this mod.

Sincerely yours,

dForce

"Best of Wishes, Old Friend"

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This is kind of dumb. Do you really think the community would cover the cost to hire professional programmers/modders etc?

Not dumb, maybe abit naive and unpractical kinda like Obama foreign policies. Even if you guys manage to get money, who do you pay and who do you leave out? Once the money runs out, they aren't going to work for free. Beside freelance 3D artist are expensive, i charge 60 USD/hour.

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I used to have a mild respect for you, SonK. You definitely have a talent for 3d work. I have seen your work on the old forums, on this one, and some other forums as well. But when it comes to making a point, you fail hard.

Your right about the community, they generally are immature(looks at Mute).

Do you want me to point out the fallacy in this statement? He actually never said the community was immature. He said select members of the staff were immature. Weren't you part of staff at one time?

If you would have spent any amount time here on these forums you would have realized that the populace here are a bunch of moderately to well educated individuals who are often not afraid to state their opinions. Given that fact that the internet allows one anonymity posting inflammatory responses has become a staple response. We all act retarded in one way or another but can often form logical arguments to one another. This community has turned into (what I think) old /b/ was when it first started.

This community is a good one. I wouldn't have any other way, and you're mentally handicapped if you think different. This community is the only reason this mod is still in production (I would like to think). This community is better than the srz busnz that you bring to it. This community has created friendships of unlikely people. This community is a good thing.

Now whether or not me personally am immature, well I guess thats open for debate. People like you and copet and probably even gamegus (even though we have more in common then he thinks), would probably argue that I'm immature and a general pest. I suppose I can't fully disagree with this. But you probably never stopped and asked why I was doing it. I like to think I'm part of the glue that helps hold this community together.

I'm am the jester. I do my best to entertain. Whether it be through humor, anger, or conflict. I like to think I help start to create bonds between people by imaging myself as an enemy, or trying to get the community to laugh at itself, or by creating some tension and desire to best me in some way. I think booze does this too, maybe unintentionally I don't really know.

Gamegus is I think the voice of the community. He exhibits a lot of creativity and humor while being reasonable and likable by everyone. He is what everyone would want to strive to become inside of the community.

Maxx is the organizer. He is definelty the "leader" of the community. He tries to get people involved with different facets of the community, he is bright, willing to discuss things, decisve and most suprisingly generous in knowledge and pocketbook. Though I give him a hard time for taking things a little bit to serious from time to time, I do respect him as a person.

There are other archetype in the community. That are much harder to define and Im tired of typing and too lazy to work it out. But Noobot, Bluehawk, Infr4mer, and Realtop are cool dudes for various reasons. Everyone I mentioned has helped keep this community together in some fucked up way. The are others as well like stucka and flea but you get the drift. Everyone is a valuable member to this community in some way and insulting them is fucking retarded.

tl;dr

Fuck you, you idiot. Gtfo and never come back.

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Your right about the community, they generally are immature(looks at Mute).

According to your mum he's da men.

Seriously, don't call us immature. This is the internet. Do you expect us all to act the same as in real life? If so, you fail. //// Discussion over.

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Fuck you, you idiot. Gtfo and never come back.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, its just my opinion that generally speaking the NMRIH community is on the immature side(look at realtop reply, sounds like a 15 year old kid). And you just proved my point ;) . Meh, you lost all respect for me?I don't know how i'll sleep at night now. AFAIK, Maxx isn't mod leader, Coleman is!

PS> i've seen Copet post enough to know his mature. FYI, i was kidding in my earlier post with my "looks at Mute" comment, so you know.

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According to your mum he's da men.

Seriously, don't call us immature. This is the internet. Do you expect us all to act the same as in real life? If so, you fail. //// Discussion over.

So for you Internet is a " I can be immature, stupid, rude etc...Just because it's the internet and nobody know who I'm " place?

Man...

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So for you Internet is a " I can be immature, stupid, rude etc...Just because it's the internet and nobody know who I'm " place?

Man...

I didn't say that. What he thinks is immature most of us consider as internet humor. Even if it's childish, rude or stupid. Internet is a place where all people act slight different.

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