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Isn't Maxx an old Dev? Sure he could do it, I like his personality but if he's already doing it then it's settled? Perhaps some forum admin and that's it. Doesn't mean Tyler has to be removed though, he has done a great job as PR during his active days.

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By "he's pretty much is already doing it." I meant to us in vent, he can't make front page updates or ban anybody or change forum rules. I'm not saying he has to be removed, I used the word "share" like a thousand times.

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Well, we have to end apartheid, for one, slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless... and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women.

We have to encourage a return... to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern... and less materialism in young people.

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As I said, I currently have many more important things to do at the moment. But...IF there was real progress to show at the moment, then I would be more than happy to show it to all of you. Again, things are extremely slow right now.

As for the ZP Server, that lasted for about a week....maybe 2 months ago. And yes, in my free time on the computer....I'll play CSS. But what else am I supposed to do? If our dev team is inactive and there is no new news to share right now, then I really do not have much to do.

I'm sorry if it's wrong that I leave my computer from time to time and can't sit here all day and monitor this thread. I am not ignoring you.

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I vote for maxx as PR head...

I don't know if he want's it, or if he would feel obligated to do it. But I do think its more of a natural fit then 3pi.

I think maxx instinctively understands public relations... when you are a PR head you have to understand that you are a part of the community and not part of the team. You're just another guy waiting for a potentially awesome game. who just happens to have the inside track on the mod.

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Maxx and Cyber are pretty good at PR. I don't think 3pi should be replaced though.

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As I said, I currently have many more important things to do at the moment. But...IF there was real progress to show at the moment, then I would be more than happy to show it to all of you. Again, things are extremely slow right now.

As for the ZP Server, that lasted for about a week....maybe 2 months ago. And yes, in my free time on the computer....I'll play CSS. But what else am I supposed to do? If our dev team is inactive and there is no new news to share right now, then I really do not have much to do.

I'm sorry if it's wrong that I leave my computer from time to time and can't sit here all day and monitor this thread. I am not ignoring you.

I think he's referring to how you haven't responded to the idea of a new or temporary replacement for PR manager.

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As some people said before, 3pidemic shouldn't be replaced. Just someone to 'support' 3pi when help is needed. That way there's always (in theory) someone doing PR work. I think either InZaneFlea, Maxx or Cyber should be the 'support' PR managers.. That's my opinion on that.

About the leak I know/heard/read some stupid info, which could lead in to napalm-flamewar so let that be.

Also, nowadays biggest problem in NMRiH is (AGAIN!) lack of coder/programmer. :angry:

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I think he's referring to how you haven't responded to the idea of a new or temporary replacement for PR manager.

No. I responded to that on the previous page.

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Problem with Maxx is he works at Rockstar, and as such, can't officially work on mod-teams in any way shape or form, I'm pretty sure.

Now lay off of Epi.

I mean, he's said it 100x. There's nothing to show, so how can he show it? Everytime he tries to give us good news it blows up in his face (Beta by March, anyone?), presumably because of the team itself. I've half the mind to get back on the team and get shit going as an animator, but we'll see about that.

I doubt I really have the time, what with college consisting of modeling and animating tons of shit. But look. This is our problem, I'll spell it out.

The community? Us? I'm pretty sure that we have NO idea what this game is. None at all. I'm sorry, but I couldn't tell you what game-modes are in, what those game modes are, how many people are on each server, how many character models / weapons there are, how the zombies will work, how many zombies there can be on the screen, the entire barricading system?

It's not that we want awesome in-game footage and screenshots, we just want info.

Although I heard the Design Doc was STILL not done, so that'd be why. Because the team doesn't even know what they're doing -.-

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The community? Us? I'm pretty sure that we have NO idea what this game is. None at all. I'm sorry, but I couldn't tell you what game-modes are in, what those game modes are, how many people are on each server, how many character models / weapons there are, how the zombies will work, how many zombies there can be on the screen, the entire barricading system?

It's not that we want awesome in-game footage and screenshots, we just want info.

It's very hard to know specifics when the specifics are not officially laid out most of the time. When they are, the person in charge of them drops the ball completely. If I had hard facts set in stone, I would share them. Things have changed so much that it's very hard to confirm or deny anything anymore.

Although I heard the Design Doc was STILL not done, so that'd be why. Because the team doesn't even know what they're doing -.-

Not my job. I guess that deserves another thread. Right?

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Its hard to give consistent PR updates when there is a complete lack of new material to present. Which is worse, a ton of updates that basically say "yeop, nothing is done" or no updates at all. Either way, theres going to be dissapointment, and no amount of postitive spin is going to change that.

Replacing epi with a new PR head would be like putting a brand new coat of paint on a 1970 Chevelle

...with no engine.

...or transmission

..or interior.

...also its on fire.

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Personally I would love to work as a PR rep for this mod. However it already seems as if you guys have a few very worth candidates who have been around alot longer then me who are able to support epi.

So why not stop argueing about who's not doing what and get on with it.

Contact Maxx and ask him, if he says yes, then its done.

We all have ups and downs with regards to activity. Get of epi's back for now the main point is to get the team functioning by getting a supporting PR rep once thats done and the position of PR is stable why not then think about next actions if epi really doesnt have time

thats just my 2 cents

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As I said, I currently have many more important things to do at the moment. But...IF there was real progress to show at the moment, then I would be more than happy to show it to all of you. Again, things are extremely slow right now.

errr.

Feb 3. Interlopers interview:

Honestly, we are on the most straightforward streak of progress that we have ever had in our four years of development. Our developer builds of the game are being updated with new content and everything is really coming together. We’re certainly making sure that we have all of our code done and ready before we implement the simple things such as weapons or sounds

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It took me until just now to realize where 3pi is coming from... he's basically the messenger in a sense. And everyone wants to kill the messenger no matter what.

I'm the leading seaman on my ship - so I'm told a list of shitty jobs to do for the day... and I have to get people to do them. Though they may hate me for giving them the job, it has to be done... and I try to make it as quick, easy, and painless as possible for them to complete their tasking.

3pi doesn't really come by the Vent or play games with us like some of the other devs do, but nothing says he HAS to do that... if he enjoys doing something else, so be it. To each is own...

Good things, keep on keepin on... and I just want to say I appreciate everything that's been done so far.

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Slurping aside, how is that relevant? No one's blaming anyone for "bad news". The problem is that this thread is the latest even semi-official update we've gotten in ages.

To use your example, if you suddenly stopped assigning duties and the jobs stopped getting done, you would be 'relieved' of that responsibility.

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Slurping aside, how is that relevant? No one's blaming anyone for "bad news". The problem is that this thread is the latest even semi-official update we've gotten in ages.

To use your example, if you suddenly stopped assigning duties and the jobs stopped getting done, you would be 'relieved' of that responsibility.

Slurping aside? Is that a blow job reference? If you read a little more carefully and not take things out of context... I basically said 3pi is the front man for this mod in terms of giving and receiving information for the most part, and if something goes wrong - such as not getting updates (even though he cant) Everyone is going to look to him for answers, and bitch to him about it.

Try and keep up Relic :)

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Well, I'm glad that someone finally see's it.

Shifty, that quote was completely true when I made it back in February. Since then though, some staple team members have been MIA.

To use your example, if you suddenly stopped assigning duties and the jobs stopped getting done, you would be 'relieved' of that responsibility.

If that were the case, every single member of our dev team would have been 'relieved' on more than one occasion.

Oh, and nothing against Maxx, but if he's been too busy for the past 6 months to do any content work for our mod, so I do not think that he would have time for this job.

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I think we need some new moderators though, most of the current ones don't even do anything anymore and just continue to suck Inlamer's dick.

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Uh, wow.

I've been at my parents place all weekend so I haven't been at the computer I just saw this thread.. Wow.

I'm kind of honored so many of you would recommend me for that job, which makes me fee very warm and fuzzy inside.

Although Three-pidemic was right, I have been very busy with work which means I haven't had any time to contribute to doing art. It's hard to come home from doing Max and Photoshop all day at work, and do more Max and Photoshop again. It's a real headache. Doing PR though? That's a different story. I do already try and fill that void when and where I can to an extent, and I love being an active member of the community.

I won't deny Three-pee has been spotty on PR haps, but he has been busy I take it based on his posts. And it's true, there hasn't been a lot of content generated on the actual team.. And most of you have gathered that our beloved Pongles can no longer work on the mod as a programmer much in the same way that I can't as an artist. It's a lot of added stress to continue doing what you do for a career at home on the few hours you get off to relax each night.

What our mod needs is a strong programmer, and a strong animator to really get things rolling. We have a lot of stacked up art.. Unfinished weapons, maps, props, characters, all of these things, we just need people to fulfill those two positions to take it the whole nine yards. I mean, we can have an entire arsenal of weapons modeled and textured, but they won't do any good when no one has the time to animate them and implement them.

Brigadier Wolf, for example, our lead modeler, really only works on weapons. They're his "thing", and he's very much a perfectionist about them. He takes a very long time to produce a single weapon in complete detail, no matter how many times I tell him that from a professional standpoint, it's very unnecessary. Things take a lot of time. As some of you have seen from the leak, we have some of the best level art you'll ever see in a Source engine game. It's just everything else that's lacking.

It's tough when it's all based on free time. the mod has gone on so long that all of us working on it have gone from high school to college to graduation or in the case of Pongles, Dark, Vivi and myself, from high school to our careers in the industry which leaves us with very little time or willpower to sit and work on the same stuff we do all day at work.

I do agree that Three-Pee shouldn't be shot just because he's the bearer of bad, or in some cases, no news at all. But, along with some other people, sometimes I get the vibe that he doesn't have much of an interest in the mod or community.. I think the most important part of being in the PR is being involved with the community. It's kind of crucial. You're pretty much the bridge between both worlds.

Anyway, that's all I've really got to say.

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Having more active moderation and PRs would be nice... Even if the updates are about nothing but to get the community closer together. To tell the truth that's the only reason I'm still here is because of the active community members.

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noone IMO really looks good as a moderator as Slaya and Relic did back then, though. :\

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